The Metaverse is still messy

Technologists have been We’ve been crowing about “the metaverse” for quite some time, and here at WIRED we’ve written quite a bit about it too. But sometimes we’re still not quite sure how to define this next-generation Internet, which relies on 3D experiences (rather than the flat 2D screens we’re currently glued to) and also on an ongoing, continuous federated identity. Still confused? It’s OK: In this week’s Gadget Lab podcast, we talk to Matthew Ball, a strategist, venture capitalist, and author, whose new book The Metaverse: And How It Will Revolutionize Everythinghits shelves on July 19.


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We ask Ball how he defines the metaverse, how the Internet could potentially be reinvented if the current version is so driven by corporate interests, whether the metaverse should be regulated, and what a realistic view of “interoperability” might be.

Show notes

Matthew Ball’s book is The Metaverse: And How It Will Revolutionize Everything† Read Gilad’s June cover story on Web3. Follow all of WIRED’s metaverse coverage here.


Matthew recommends the show The old man on FX and the US Supreme Court legal podcast Strict investigation† Gilad recommends trying an electric car once. Lauren recommends the . at 5-4 podcastalso on analyzing the Supreme Court.

Matthew Ball can be found on Twitter @ballmatthew† Gilad Edelman is @GiladEdelman† Lauren Goode is @LaurenGoode† Michael Calore is @snack fight† Bling the main hotline at @GadgetLab† The show is produced by Boone Ashworth (@booneashworth† Our theme music is from sun keys

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